Blogger Interview - George RR Martin

Okay, after looking over the posts, I don't think the format is going to look the way I'd want. So, I will now post responses to all the questions in descending order, so its easier to follow and compare with the other posts from Shawn, Adam and Aiden.

Here's the links to their responses:

http://www.suvudu.com/2010/02/blogger-interview-george-r-r-martin.html

http://thewertzone.blogspot.com/

http://aidanmoher.com/blog/

Here are my responses (there were some much much longer posts below on the first two questions, but I will keep the shorter versions now, as this was getting out of hand).

1. Don’t George’s other pursuits—watching football, editing anthologies, traveling to other countries and conventions, blogging about his merchandise—hamper his completion of the new book?

Sure – the same way my wife and kids, and my hobbies “hamper” my work productivity. The occasional weekend off, family vacation, or kids birthday party means that I tend not to sit at my desk 24 hours a day. Sure, my boss would love it if I never left, and never took a minute to read The Wertzone, Pat’s Fantasy Hotlist, or A Dribble of Ink every morning, or spend 2 hours breaking down the Packers home opponents in 2010….but I’m not going to give away my life for any job, and its beyond absurd when readers demand it – aside from the irony of them logging on to fantasy blogs while at work and posting their outrage.

2. Are readers of A Song of Ice & Fire entitled to be angry that George has missed his own created deadlines?

Sure, the same way you’re entitled to being a little upset if your dinner takes a long time from the kitchen, or if someone on the technical support line tells you they’ll be with you in a minute, but don’t get back on the line for five full minutes. First off, they were George’s own predictions and self-set deadlines, and the reality is that it has to be disappointing to George as well. Secondly, the anger that a lot of "fans" send George's way is just ridiculous. The anonymity of the internet sure is nice if you are out there screaming like a jerk. Even when you try to be funny and hide your anonymity behind Joe Pesci and Ray Liotta pictures, you are still just being a jerk when you look at it closely.

3. Is it unethical for George to write on his blog about his other merchandise opportunities when the majority of people visiting his website are only interested in A Dance With Dragons?

This is the most ridiculous of the complaints in my book. The man writes books, and sells them. He also sells other items affiliated with his books. Sure, ASOIAF is the most popular thing, but why on Earth would he not use the site to promote his own products? ASOIAF has its own sample link, its own update page, and a wealth of other information on his website; I think its absurd that anyone would complain about this issue. Honestly, early on when checking his site out for information on ASOIAF, I came across his other works and read most of them because I found out about it there. On top of that, thanks to his “What I’m reading” link, I found out about Melinda Snodgrass, S.L. Farrell, and Daniel Abraham; each of whom I’ve thoroughly enjoyed.

4. Is it legitimate for a fan who has bought his previous books to criticize George since their money has helped his success?

Sure, the same way that a “fan” has the right to attend a sporting event and criticize a player for the lack of effort or other malfeasance. But I’ve never been a fan of booing when a player simply makes a mistake or doesn’t win. I don’t buy a ticket with the “right” to see a victory by my favorite team or player, but I’m certainly a little entitled to their best effort.
Plenty of people will now complain that the "delay" waiting for these books is a sign of George's lack of effort or other nonsense. As I said a few posts down, there's no indication at all that George doesn't work extremely hard on these books, and certainly no evidence that his other projects or hobbies hinders his professionalism. George's personal writing style is what created the single best fantasy series every written (in my opinion at least), so why on Earth should I complain about that style now? There is simply no way to claim that A Dance with Dragons or anything else would be as good if George just sits at a desk somewhere for 12 hours a day and "writes." I want the best book George can write - and I fully expect that means waiting a while between installments.
A pretty fair comparison would be the recent movie "Avatar" which I will admit I haven't seen. I may not have my facts exactly right, but I'm pretty sure it took Cameron about 8 years to get this movie done. Everyone could have spent a decade whining about the fact that they didn't have a DVD of his latest movie yet - but most movie fans must have a little more rewarding life I guess. They waited 8 years and they get a film that is likely going to sweep the Oscars and break every box office record. Sure, Cameron played it better from the start since he didn't post daily/weekly updates and never gave any indication that his fans should expect the movie's release at any time. While you can argue that George has brought a lot of the reaction upon himself through his updates and his own guesses regarding when the books would be done; I would argue that regardless of unfulfilled expectations, his blog has provided an interesting insight into his creative process and allowed him to interact with fans. If that's not what you want, then don't check his website or read his NFL posts. He's a social guy who likes (most of) his fans - I guess there is a cost for that, but constant whining and anger still seems out of line.

5. Does a reader have the right to critique an author’s professional conduct simply because they have purchased a book by them?

I’ll simply restate my argument from above, that yes, I believe a reader can critique an author’s professional conduct, but the anger and vitriol directed at George is well over the line of acceptability.

6. Doesn’t George have an obligation to finish books in a timely manner so his fans don’t have to keep re-reading his previous books over and over again?

Now we are hitting my biggest point in this whole discussion, and get to the argument I made a few months ago to Shawn and others – I believe that everyone out there who enjoys the fantasy genre is missing out when they decide not to read these books “until the series is complete”.
I actually came to this conclusion when I was watching the original Star Wars trilogy with my 5 yr. old son. Thanks to “the Clone Wars” and the second Star Wars trilogy (along with a veiled reference in Toy Story 2), he already knew that Darth Vader was Luke’s father, and I realized how different those films were for my generation who had to wait almost THREE YEARS after the revelation in The Empire Strikes Back to find out if it was true. Heck, even the famous “Who Shot JR?” mystery from ‘Dallas’ wouldn’t have the same cultural cache if we’d all been able to watch the series straight through on DVD without any delay.
Every reread of ASOIAF adds a layer of understanding, and the lingering mysteries in the series won’t have nearly the same drama and meaning for readers who continue to wait. I’ve already had about 7 years of enjoyment pondering questions like “Does R+L=J?”, “Who is the Prince who was Promised?”, “Will we see the 3-eyed Crow?”, “Who gave that guy the dagger?”, “Why does Littlefinger want the tapestries?”, “What does Howland Reed know?”, “Who is Coldhands?” and many many other mysteries. There are clues everywhere in the series, but if you get the mystery resolved straight through on your first read, I think you will be missing out on much of the enjoyment of the books. I don't care how diligent of a reader you are, there are clues in the books you will miss the first time through. Having time to reread the books (and read the Dunk & Egg novellas, the forthcoming World of Ice and Fire book, and the RPG books out there too) gives the reader a better understanding of the characters and the unresolved mysteries too.
I know Adam at The Wertzone planned to discuss this in detail too, but there's something to be said for the unique interaction of ASOIAF fans over the years, whether its the Brotherhood without Banners, the forum at Westeros, or the gatherings of his fans at book signings, the cast parties for the HBO pilot, and the biggest conventions. Looking at the other interview answers and thinking realistically about the expectations of readers - its much more fun and enjoyable to accept the delays as they are and enjoy the series over and over again.

7. Does George have writer’s block?

I really don't think so - I just believe that the incredibly convoluted world he's created requires an astonishing amount of planning and writing/rewriting as he works to steer the characters toward the conclusion he has in mind. I don't know enough about the writing process, but given the manner in which George seems to write his stories, I believe the task of pulling all these strings together (largely in the next two books) is simply a very difficult task.

8. Isn’t the best way to show our displeasure with George is to not buy A Dance With Dragons when it is published?

Sure, but then you lose twice. First, you had to wait for them to get published. Now, you are just punishing yourself by making the wait even longer. Maybe I’m a glutton for punishment, but I’ll buy it the minute it comes out and read it immediately. After that, I will read it again. And as soon as that’s done, I’ll start waiting impatiently for the next book and wishing I could read that too. I’m all for the ‘power of the people’, but if you honestly think anyone else is punished by you not buying the book, you are kidding yourself. George will write like he always has, and when he gets a book done, they’ll publish it and sell millions of copies. You can enjoy them when they come out, or you can sit in a self-imposed exile of misery, content to enjoy your self-righteous pity party. I know what I’ll do.

9. If it has taken George five years to write the last two books, how long will it take him to write The Winds of Winter?

Hopefully a little less time, as the strings of this story start to come together, but after the past decade, you'd have to be an idiot to put any bets down on this guess. It will happen when it happens.

10. Isn’t it insulting that George thinks he doesn’t owe his readers anything? Doesn’t he owe us, at the very least, the conclusion of the series since he is living off of the money that we paid him?

Two thoughts here - first, he wrote a book and you bought it; which pretty much covers what he really "owes" any of us. Second, I don't know how you can argue this without recognizing the one-sided nature of your belief. I don't recall anything in law school or my career that would indicate that everyone who bought his earlier books has any obligation to buy and read the next one. And while its unlikely his publishers will do anything other than thank him and pay him a truckload of money for the next books - they still aren't obligated in nearly the same way that the fans seem to expect from him. They could make any manner of publishing decisions that would affect what George and his fans expect, if they felt it was in their best interests. There's no guarantee that they will publish the book when George wants, print as many copies as I demand, or do anything else. They agreed to pay him money, he agreed to write a book. And I have the ability to buy the book or not when its eventually published.

11. Has George ever apologized for the lateness of his last two books?

Repeatedly. No, he hasn't called every single person that bought his books - but he has repeatedly said he's disappointed with the time it took to finish A Feast for Crows, and how long its taken to write A Dance with Dragons. I guess everyone would "feel better" if he posted a Blog entry every morning criticizing himself and apologizing profusely....but then again, that would take away from how long he spends writing, so we'd be back to that argument.

12. Don’t readers have an obligation to be patient with a man who is arguably writing one of the best fantasy series of all time and wants it done right, one that will be read long after his grandchildren are gone?

Absolutely 100%. I want the books and I want to read them, but there is a reason certain books and authors are studied hundreds of years after their books were written. This series has the chance to have the same impact within the genre as The Lord of the Rings (although I'd hope George's heirs aren't sitting around publishing his unfinished notes for decades after he's gone). It is more important that he writes the best story he can.

13. Do his other activities and hobbies like conventions, traveling, editing anthologies, and watching football actually help his writing?

That would certainly be my contention. Obviously, this can go in the wrong direction pretty easily, but if I sit at my desk all day and night and avoid things that I enjoy in life – chances are I’ll become a pretty disgruntled and unproductive employee. And that doesn’t even take into account the fairly large creative differences between George’s career and mine. Aside from enjoying the NFL, you could make the point that George's other hobbies enhance his writing and the books we get to read. The man likes toy knights, jousting models, speculative fiction in all its various incarnations, etc. - and his books are obviously better for it. Many authors spend a great deal of time researching their next books or ideas for stories. Luckily for us as readers, George's hobbies and personal interest gives color to this series. I'd think it is fairly obvious that the books are better because of this.

For more on the incessant nature of this issue, check out the following older links as well:

http://journal.neilgaiman.com/2009/05/entitlement-issues.html

http://www.suvudu.com/2009/01/in-defense-of-george-r-r-marti.html

http://aidanmoher.com/blog/2009/03/articles/article-guy-gavriel-kay-wades-into-the-martin-itis-debate/

http://aidanmoher.com/blog/2009/01/articles/article-why-you-should-cut-george-rr-martin-some-slack/

http://fantasyhotlist.blogspot.com/2010/01/exclusive-excerpt-from-george-r-r.html (where you can pay particular attention to the comments posted below the excerpt to get a real feel for the reactions George gets all the time)

Suvudu Blogger Interviews and GRRM

Alright, Shawn has posted both his questions and all of his responses already over at http://www.suvudu.com/, and I'm going to post the second question along with part of Shawn's response and my thoughts on this issue.

First, the question:



2. Are readers of A Song of Ice & Fire entitled to be angry that George has missed his own created deadlines?

In his response, Shawn makes three points he thinks are important in considering this particular issue, and they bear repeating here:

Three things about this point though that people need to remember:
1) No one is angrier about missing deadlines than George.
2) Some of those missed deadlines have legitimate reasons behind them.
3) After George missed the first two deadlines, why did the fans keep trusting him?

I think I could go on for hours on this topic alone, but I'll try to restrain myself. The first two points are, in my mind, the most important in this discussion. First off, this series is George's life work. Sure he's an accomplished writer on many fronts and across many genres - but ASOIAF is, as a friend of mine once put it, "what George was put on Earth to write." For the rest of his life, George will be known first and foremost as "the Author of A Song of Ice and Fire" - so the angry implications that populate so many corners of the internet and seem to imply that Geoge doesn't care or other nonsense is absurd. Read his updates (if you can find the old ones) and read his "Not a Blog", and it becomes painfully clear that the delays, writer's block, storyline changes, etc. have weighed on him. Calling him names or saying he doesn't care is ridiculous, and has no justification in fact.
With the second issue, this is the argument that turned my mind around a few years ago. After reading the first three books and loving them, I found an online chorus of others wishing the next book would come out as soon as possible. Unfortunately, I fell into line and argued that George needed to get A Feast for Crows finished and it was unreasonable that it took so long, especially when I looked at the release of the first three books. After endless discussions, and some forceful people telling me more of the reality, I came to the realization that I was wrong. The first books didn't take him just a few years to write and release. Years of work went into the series before the release of A Game of Thrones, including work on chapters that got moved into A Clash of Kings too. Then, most importantly, after A Storm of Swords, George made a drastic change to the books and the timeline, when he chose to eliminate his intended "five year gap" and requisite flashbacks to allow the saga's children time to grow up. He ended up tossing between 18 months and 2 years worth of work - chapters and stories that never became part of A Feast for Crows. Aside from the obvious delay and loss of time, I can't imagine the amount of time and effort it took to begin re-imagining the story and building the character's chapters coherently after such a large shift in focus. Its unfortunate, but that's about it.
What really galls me with this topic in general though, is not the feelings of frustration, but rather the manner so many of the "fans" take in expressing their disappointment. I'd compare it now to a person going to dinner at a fancy restaurant. If the waiter tells you your meal will be out shortly, and then 20 minutes later informs you that they messed up your meal and had to start over, or simply forgot your food, or anything else - there is a basic scale of acceptable response. You can cut the waiter's tip, complain to the manager, or simply leave the restaurant and vow to never return. These are reasonable - and in the online community would be equated with a post about your disappointment that the book isn't done, or some cautious optimism reigning in the excitement when particularly good news about the next book comes out. Heck, even posting your 'most anticipated releases' for the coming year, and including a warning note that you still don't believe you'll see A Dance with Dragons this year, is fairly normal. But, I think anyone with a conscience can agree that standing up and berating the water, attacking his appearance, wishing death upon the chef, etc., simply makes you a jerk. Sure, the internet affords you all manner of protecting your anonymity and encouraging obnoxious behavior - but it certainly doesn't make it okay. If the way you act out online would be embarrassing in real life, maybe you need to reconsider what you are saying. I don't care if your posting a response on someone's blog, starting your own forum, or posting a cheeky blog and hiding behind pretend fake celebrity bloggers like Joe Pesci and Ray Liotta (yes, I'm looking at you "Finish The Book George"!)....its classless and fairly obnoxious to say the things that have been said about George. I think its unjustified to be anything other than disappointed.

Letting the Cat out of the Bag

Sorry to jumpstart this ahead of Suvudu, but I'm going to be logging off for the night soon and not back online until later (plus no one is reading this yet!) so here is the official first response from Jeff's Fantasy Review to the new Suvudu.com discussion regarding George RR Martin.

Recently, Pat's Fantasy Hotlist received permission from Mr. Martin to release an online sample of his new Dunk & Egg tale "The Mystery Knight." For me, this was a fun thing to think about, in anticipation of getting a copy of the new anthology "Warriors" when its released. I loved the first two Dunk & Egg stories, and can't wait to read this one too.
As all things on the internet tend to do, it blew up into an absurd spam fest of vitriol and anger directed at Mr. Martin; which was sad and pathetic on many levels. This followed a discussion I'd had with Shawn Speakman and other bloggers around Thanksgiving, where I asserted that I have grown to thoroughly enjoy the time between books in ASOIAF, and that the 'waiting period' is really a blessing on some fronts. Notably, its my contention that the mysteries in this series are going to be more enjoyable for those of us who have read and reread the books and waited/discussed these issues for years. This discussion will be a part of the greater discussion that will be posted soon.
I will post links to each blog that posts the various responses from the aforementioned "Bloggers of Note" and while I'm lucky enough to attach onto their discussion like a leech; I'm much more excited to see what each of them have to say in response to a long list of thought-provoking questions Shawn has come up with to discuss George, ASOIAF, the waiting game, and some issues that affect publishers, authors, and readers in general.

To get started, at least, here is the link to the source of this discussion:

www.Suvudu.com


Without further ado, the first questions Shawn asks is:

1. Don’t George’s other pursuits—watching football, editing anthologies, traveling to other countries and conventions, blogging about his merchandise—hamper his completion of the new book?

Jeff's response:

Sure – the same way my wife and kids, and my hobbies “hamper” my work productivity. The occasional weekend off, family vacation, or kids birthday party means that I tend not to sit at my desk 24 hours a day. Sure, my boss would love it if I never left, and never took a minute to read The Wertzone, Pat’s Fantasy Hotlist, or A Dribble of Ink every morning, or spend 2 hours breaking down the Packers home opponents in 2010….but I’m not going to give away my life for any job, and its beyond absurd when readers demand it – aside from the irony of them logging on to fantasy blogs while at work and posting their outrage.
No one is better at their job simply because they devote every waking moment to it. I'd argue that a creative field like writing makes that even more true. George is a happier, and likely more productive, writer and person because he has things outside of Westeros that he enjoys. Heck, with George, readers come out even farther ahead with most of his "hobbies." The man loves knights, medievil weapons, other speculative fiction writing, travel and conventions - and that is great for his fans who get to meet and interact with him, while also giving him more "fuel for the fire" for his writing endeavors. ASOIAF simply wouldn't be the same without his encylopedic knowledge of warfare, heraldry, jousting, and other aspects he's brilliantly incorporated into his books.
So in the end, I'd argue two things. First, his hobbies and other activities make him happy and likely more productive. Second, many of them add to his creative abilities and add to his stories. Bottom line - as his reader, I win.

A few thoughts before tomorrow....

Alright, I have a stack of reviews I'm waiting to post and some other content I'd been thinking about posting to start things off, but work has prevented that all month....

Starting tomorrow morning, however, a discussion will take place at Suvudu.com led by Shawn Speakman and featuring a few top-shelf bloggers in the speculative fiction field. I will be joining the discussion and figured that's the best way possible to kick this whole thing off. Tune in then, as I'm certain things will get out of control quite quickly.

-Jeff